Questions for naturists and nudists to think about

I found this post on the Nudist Philosopher site and thought it good to repost it here:

It seems as though we’re always asking ourselves certain questions about our enjoyment of nudity in general and social nudity in particular. This is quite healthy and isn’t any indication that we doubt that such enjoyment is quite proper and reasonable. But it does tell us that there are many things we don’t understand about the strange, almost pathological, ways in which our society reacts to nudity.

Man is the sole animal whose nudities offend his own
companions, and the only one who, in his natural actions,
withdraws and hides himself from his own kind.
Michel de Montaigne, Apology for Raymond Sebonde (1580)

What follows are some of the questions I see arising again and again in private thoughts and in conversations among people who enjoy nudity. I certainly don’t have good answers to any of them – nobody else does either. But I suppose we all have our own partial answers. So I feel it would be worthwhile to set these down so that we can pass them around among ourselves and give them some serious thought.

Question 1. How did nudity come to be the subject of strong taboos, to some extent or other, in most “modern” societies?

We don’t, today, have a really good understanding of how nudity was regarded in pre-modern societies, before they became “modern” or came in contact with “modern” societies. But the prevalent assumption is that these earlier societies were generally very casual and tolerant of nudity. For instance, we have some testimony from writers who traveled in Polynesia in the 19th century. Herman Melville: “Fayaway—I must avow the fact—for the most part clung to the primitive and summer garb of Eden.[1]“. Mark Twain, who visited Hawaii in 1866: “In the rural districts of any of the islands, the traveler hourly comes upon parties of dusky maidens bathing in the streams or in the sea without any clothing on and exhibiting no very intemperate zeal in the matter of hiding their nakedness.[2]“

Yet today there’s hardly anywhere left on the planet where people have not at least come in contact with modern societies – and almost everywhere this has happened, potent taboos on nudity have arisen. There have been a number of ideas suggested for the cause of this, such as the influence of religion, social norms that stress conformity to unrealistic standards of physical “beauty”, and Freud’s notion of sublimation. No doubt there isn’t any single or simple answer. But we’re still mostly in the dark.

Question 2. Why does mere exposure to nudity disgust and offend many people to the often ridiculous extreme that it often does?

Not everybody has the most extreme reaction. But even in the modern UK, the Naked Rambler has been continuously jailed and re-jailed for 6 years, because he refuses to wear clothes on his rambles. Most people don’t seem to have much objection to Steve Gough’s nudity, but there are usually just a few who do and have effectively forced him to remain in prison indefinitely for the “crime” of nudity. Likewise, Facebook’s fear of anyone who would object to photos containing nudity (and possibly alienate advertisers as a result) has led to the ban against nudity on Facebook and similar services.

And then there’s the case of two women who voluntarily participated in the taping of a “Dr. Phil” show in 2007 in which participants would be placed in uncomfortable situations that would test their capacity for tolerance. One of the situations involved having dinner with a naked man. Two of the women have sued over the “distress” this caused them. One of the women declared in a sworn statement that “I was in shock and total disbelief of what was happening, feeling violated and disgusted.”[3]

What is it, exactly, that provokes such a pathological reaction towards nudity from some people?

Question 3. What is the main reason for the low level of acceptance of social nudity in our society?

The question here is not about why public nudity in general is not allowed. That’s unsurprising, given factors such as the high levels of disgust and offense provoked in some people by nudity, the pervasive feeling that it is undesirable or unsafe for children to be exposed to adult nudity, the concern that nudity in public is unsanitary and unhygienic, etc. People who’re used to social nudity know that these fears are pretty unrealistic.

But can such concerns alone explain the degree of ostracism from “normal” society that can be experienced by people who “come out” openly as naturists or nudists? It’s not clear just how large the risks are, but some people have definitely lost their jobs or been unable to find suitable new jobs if they are known to participate in social nudity. Even discussing social nudity with others at work can be hazardous, if that’s interpreted as a form of “sexual harassment”. Another risk is that an expression of interest in social nudity can break up relationships or friendships.

It was not at all so long ago that open homosexuality made somebody a social pariah – even a criminal (e. g. Alan Turing in England, as recently as 1952). While a majority of people in most places still have a heterosexual orientation, recognition of a person’s right to openly pursue a nontraditional sexual orientation is rapidly becoming the norm. Yet even though prejudices against people who enjoy social nudity generally don’t reach the degree of intensity that gays once endured, nudists and naturists still entirely lack the legal protections and social acceptance that gay people now enjoy. Why is that?

Question 4. Why is the topic of nudity so widely considered unworthy of serious, reflective discussion and scientific investigation?

Suppose, in casual conversation with friends, the subject of nudity in general or naturism in particular came up. If you were to defend nudity and express positive attitudes towards social nudity, your friends would probably be surprised, and quite possibly question your motives. Even if they knew of your inclinations, they would probably not understand why you took nudity so seriously, instead of, at best, some sort of naughty pastime.

In academia the problem is even more serious. Sexual orientation and sexuality in general are now quite respectable academic fields of study. Alfred Kinsey very bravely blazed that trail. Masters and Johnson ushered sexuality into full academic respectability. Radical right-wingers in Congress rant and rail against this kind of research, but they have little use for science of any kind (unless there are military applications). But a person who works towards a degree followed by a teaching or research position focused on human sexuality is on solid ground.

The same cannot be said for anyone who wants to study the psychology or sociology of nudity. Any interest expressed by a graduate student along those lines is a sure ticket to a job at McDonald’s. Should a tenured full professor have a similar interest and seek a grant to study some aspect of it… well, wish him or her good luck with that. As a result, there is very little actual scientific data available on many legitimate topics of interest, such as what, if anything, is different about sexual behavior among naturists, what effect, if any, exposure to adult nudity has on children, and what kind of demographic factors affect a person’s attitudes towards social nudity.

This lack of solid scientific data makes it much harder to defend social nudity against the prejudices and taboos prevalent in our society against nudity.

Question 5. Why are feelings of shame and embarrassment so often associated with being naked?

The association should be pretty obvious to most people, including long-time naturists, even if they no longer (or never did) feel shame or embarrassment about nudity. For most people, one of the first things that comes to mind when thinking about being naked in front of a group of strangers is the dream (or nightmare) of actually doing that. Many naturists, on the other hand, would welcome the opportunity to do just that, as long as it would not provoke a negative response.

Although dictionary definitions can’t be used to “prove” a point, they are useful to be clear about what one is talking about. So here’s a dictionary definition of shame: “a painful feeling of having lost the respect of others because of the improper behavior, incompetence, etc. of oneself or of someone that one is closely associated with”.[4] As far as nudity is concerned, presumably shame “should” be felt because being naked is “improper behavior”, since nudity is a social taboo. Since naturists don’t regard being naked, per se, as improper behavior, to experience shame about it would be to have some lingering uncertainties about whether some context in which they’d like to be naked isn’t a “proper” one.

So where does this kind of feeling originate? Presumably it comes from a person’s socialization, at an early age in one’s family, or later from interactions with peers. But that’s not the whole story. Some psychologists[5] stress the connection of shame with general feelings of inadequacy, which might be due, for example, to negative feelings about one’s body. There’s also a connection with feelings of vulnerability[6, 7]. Pretty clearly, there are some deep-seated psychological things going on that ought to be brought out into the open so they can be dealt with.

Question 6. Could greater acceptance of social nudity occur in contemporary urban societies as it did in the less urban Western societies of 1900-30?

Social nudism as we know it today originated in Germany around 1900. Unfortunately, most modern naturists and nudists know very little about those early days, even though some knowledge of the origins is very instructive. There’s hardly the space here to describe the origins[8], but the main point is that social nudity was almost exclusively a rural thing. The earliest sites were located in the countryside, usually in very obscure places, for the sake of privacy and because naturism in those days really meant being close to nature.

When nudism arrived in North America, around 1930, this pattern pretty much continued. There were a few sporadic attempts to secure private places in New York City for nudists to gather, but they all failed, generally because of the expense involved. To this day, periodic efforts are proposed to open naturist facilities in large urban areas[9], but they seldom get very far, still for economic reasons.

Will it ever be possible to overcome the economic barriers, and if so, how? This is a serious problem, since many young urban residents don’t own cars, and public transportation to reach rural locations is very inadequate in the U. S.

Question 7. Should education and advocacy for social nudity be pursued separately or together? Do they require different strategies to be advanced effectively?

At first glance it may seem unnecessary to consider these two things (education and advocacy) separately. Isn’t effective education about social nudity really just the first step to successful advocacy?

Maybe it is, but maybe not. It could be somewhat naive to think that honestly presenting the facts about social nudity is sufficient to change most people’s minds about it. After all, attitudes towards nudity are anchored much more in emotions and feelings than they are in reasoning and logic. It’s just a basic reality about public opinion that all the facts and logical reasoning in the world will not change the minds of a large percentage of the population. In order to change minds, it’s usually necessary to appeal to aspects of an individual’s personality other than the rational part.

Consider the psychological angle. One could go on and on about the psychology of shame, embarrassment, vulnerability, pleasure, authenticity, self-actualization, etc. A large percentage of people will not be moved by that. It’s necessary to reach them in other ways. Possible avenues include things such as celebrity endorsements, movies and videos, quality art containing nudity, and so forth. Also appeals to aspirational ideals such as “spirituality”, self-improvement, health and wellness, etc. Or tie social nudity in with popular activities like yoga, exercise, dance, etc. (Forms of “modern dance” incorporating nudity were quite prominent in the early days of nudism in Germany.[10])

It should be obvious that such educational approaches are far different from what’s normally used in political advocacy.

Question 8. What’s the best way to use the Internet to deliver education and advocacy for social nudity? And what’s the best way to discuss all of the issues in this list online among naturists themselves?

We have to distinguish use of the Internet to communicate to the public and to communicate among ourselves. Clearly there are important differences, which become apparent when we look at the means at our disposal on the Internet. These means include blogs (where this message was originally posted), public social networks like Facebook, Google+, and Twitter, private naturist-only social networks, online discussion forums, hybrid Web/email discussion groups like those hosted at Yahoo! and Google, naturist/nudist websites (e. g., … and who knows what-all else.

The obstacles to using public social networks – heavy censorship – have already been noted. Yet such sites have by far the greatest reach within the general public. As for all the rest, there has been a long-standing problem, namely that there are so many and such diverse alternatives, and tremendous difficulties communicating between them. For example, something posted on a blog can reach most of the other sites only by laboriously duplicating the post or a link to it on each one. And then responses posted in each location are invisible from all the other locations. We’re faced with a vast archipelago of tiny islands with very limited communication channels from one to all others.

What can we do about this situation? There are technical means to address these problems, but they will require much work by technically competent people. In the meantime, all naturists and nudists who want to carry on our discussions will need to work harder to get our thoughts out there.

Question 9. What is the most important question not on this list that we should be asking ourselves about?

Here’s your chance to participate. Speak up about anything else that should be on this list. Nobody can possibly think of everything. Just keep in mind that additional questions should be really important, not merely idle curiosities.


What’s the best way to share your thoughts about this list? Ideally, by commenting here. But if you have your own blog, or a favorite message board or mailing list, put your comments there, and link back to this post so that others can come here. Keep in mind that if you post on a site that’s private or limited access, what you say has limited visibility. Feel free to copy this whole thing, or just use a link – as long as you acknowledge the source. Being conscientious about doing that (and the same for anyone else’s posts you reference) is the first step towards improving the interconnection of all our disparate conversational locales.

Author: Paul

Simply someone who likes and promotes the clothes-free lifestyle.

7 thoughts on “Questions for naturists and nudists to think about”

  1. My question is this. Do we believe peaceful protesting for the right to be in our natural form is a effective medium to gain publicity and force society to examine their prejudices?

  2. No easy answers to these questions, but we’ll toss out some obvious ones to start things off. In order, by number:

    1. Most religions have taboos regarding nudity, and religious belief generally determines a society’s social rules.

    2. Social beliefs are ingrained from youth and hard to go against. Again, religion and its influence on social beliefs.

    3. You ask two questions here. The first is answered by the previous responses; the second is two-fold. Gays have achieved some degree of legal acceptance through the support of non-gays and for political reasons; Nudists/naturists have no such support, and our desire to be naked cannot be considered to be ‘natural’; it’s merely a choice to be ‘deviant’, like picking your nose in public (bad analogy!). Homosexuality didn’t begin to be legally acceptable until science determined that it wasn’t a matter of choice. It’s still not nearly as socially acceptable as it appears on TV, but less LEGALLY persecuted.

    4. The penchant that a tiny portion of the population has to run around naked with others is of little interest to most people (disgusting!), and not taken seriously as an academic subject any more than the psychology of sneaker wearers or NASCAR fans. It also has nothing to do with sex, and therefore is boring. The conclusions of any study of naturists would be even more boring; we’re just ordinary people who have discovered that it’s fun to be nude! BORING!

    5. Go back to comments on 1 and 2. Shame is taught young and hard to overcome. Social acceptance is important to every non-sociopath in the world, and no one wants to be seen as ‘weird’. How many of us have blue hair?

    6. It’s a moot point since no one is ‘educating’ anyone, other than some bloggers mainly preaching to the choir. Nudity in today’s society is tied to entertainment, not lifestyle, and our best hope is that folks will get so used to seeing naked performers that they may eventually lose their own inhibitions. We’re not holding our breath. Younger folks tend to be less inhibited, but then again, they always have been and few become nudists.

    7. The problem with any combined/amalgamated website which organizes and creates interaction between the various bloggers/websites/organizations is that someone would have to oversee it, and that would mean that it would have to be ‘censored’. For instance, All-Nudist has hundreds of links to articles, organizations, blogs and websites worldwide but WE choose which ones to included based on OUR viewpoint of what mainstream social nudism entails.

    Doubtless there are hundreds more, but we refuse to publicize them (especially to newbies) because we don’t think they represent mainstream social nudism and/or are misleading, as WE see it.

    So, who’s going to create and moderate a universal portal and who is going to decide what’s ‘worthy’? What about porn sites that call themselves ‘naturist’? ‘Naturist’ swinger groups? ‘Nudist’ dating sites? ‘Naturist’ galleries indistinguishable from any other gallery featuring young naked women? Who draws the line? Would All-Nudist and others continue to participate if they disagreed?

    This may be something which our large organizations should already be doing, but most are woefully inept on the internet and ALL have their own agendas, mostly self-promotion, and none include anything controversial.

    9. That’s a good question!

    Well, you asked and got some off-the-top-of-the-head responses. These questions aren’t new, nor are our answers, and no one has been able to adequately answer them in the past. Maybe someone can come up with some creative and practical ideas; we should certainly never stop asking!

  3. Great questions.

    I wonder though did nudity come to America in the 1900’s or did it re-emerge. The original natives only wore clothes when necessary. It was the Puritans and other religious that clothed them.

    What is it about modern religion that causes nudity to be condemned?

    1. I would think it reemerged after the “Free Body Culture” started in Germany in the early 1920s in Germany. That probably blew over to the USA.

  4. A while ago I pondered on that same question. But I came to a partial answer. There is more than that what I wrote, and the reflection must continue. It is important for the evolution of mankind, as evolution is the purpose of us being on this plane.
    So here it is:

    Not asking the right question.

    One aspect which is never (or seldom) addressed, is the why: Why do peoples freakout when they see nude bodies. And I do not mean religion, or other external causes. It seems that the less exposed to the nude body, with time, the more sensitive peoples get. You think that religion may have something to do with it, but may be not for the reasons ones think. If it is right that they (the religious community) have shamed the body, it is the (false) teaching that we, humans, are made of a soul and body, and that the body is the bad part. The soul can be saved if we renounce to the body…

    But this argument does not hold water, as we are one with our body, and that is true until death do us part. That our body is shown on the evolution tree next to the apes, means we are an animal. That fact is irrefutable. The result is that we are totally animal. The difference between us (intelligent!) and them (animals) is much smaller than usually thought. And it scares the normal human being. If we are so close to the animals, what are we? But that is another topic.

    So peoples have lived so far as if they did not have a body. Living in their head mostly, they have forgotten the animal within. And when exposed to ‘naughty parts’, they freakout. So that sacro-saint credo that naturist must not offend the textiles is pure bull. We are animals and every one must deal with it. It is against our nature to deny it.

    Ask yourself the following question: “When You think of your body, how do you perceive it to be?
    a) A moving vehicle for my brain.
    b) Something to care for to keep my existence for as long as I can.
    c) Something which bring me pleasure and let me experience the world around me.
    d) It is me.

    The answers should correlate to the level of acceptance of nudity: Answer ‘a’ should match answers to no tolerance of nudity, and answer ‘c’ or ‘d’ should match a total acceptance of nudity,the conclusions one can draw, is that really peoples are troubled seeing nudity, because it tell them they are animals. And they are not comfortable with that reality. It is like one has been lied to all its life by its parents and teachers. A very big deal. It is an implied statement that we do not have a real body, a living animal within us. We have never seen our parents nude, never seen our brothers and sisters nude, or never made love to our mates with the lights on. And the significant power figures make sure that this is not going to happen, thru legislation and censorship.

    I close by saying that being militant to the nudist cause is important, as the current state of denial will not change or revert to a sane one by itself. I think I have showed what is we have to to rectify, and and what the target is: The denial of our animal identity.

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